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Post by Bryan Benn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:26 am

Does anyone know where those Pullmans came from for the Ocean Liner Express? From memory I think the Bournemouth Belle set were in use everyday.

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Post by 34017 Ilfracombe on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:07 am

Bryan Benn wrote:Does anyone know where those Pullmans came from for the Ocean Liner Express? From memory I think the Bournemouth Belle set were in use everyday.

I believe they were stored, additional sets at Clapham Yard in the mid to late 50s, but I too was only an enthusiast then.
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Post by 34017 Ilfracombe on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:09 am

Does anyone remember, or have any Pics of the Green Livery Pullmans in the 50s, used on Ocean Liner Express Boat trains?

I remember seeing some at Wloo, late 50s?
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Post by Bryan Benn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:49 am

34017 Ilfracombe wrote:
Bryan Benn wrote:Does anyone know where those Pullmans came from for the Ocean Liner Express? From memory I think the Bournemouth Belle set were in use everyday.

I believe they were stored, additional sets at Clapham Yard in the mid to late 50s, but I too was only an enthusiast then.
Thanks for that. I doubt you'd get such a lovely rake of coaches strored for occasional use these days!

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Post by donbenn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:01 am

You've made me think now. Clearly it's not the Belle as the discs are wrong and anyway the Belle was NE Duty 434. I must do some research. Maybe JC can help?

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Post by Bryan Benn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:07 am

I've put Don's photo here, so we can understand what we are talking about, (as if ever for me!).



Photo by Don Benn. 35009 passing Worting Junction.

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Post by johnc on Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:32 am

As far as I can recall, the spare cars were kept either at Clapham Yard or Stewarts Lane. There were some special boat trains which used them so they would get a number of outings each year.

The green pullmans were used, among others, as buffet cars on the Charing X - Hastings trains before the demu's took over

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Post by 34017 Ilfracombe on Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:41 am

johnc wrote:As far as I can recall, the spare cars were kept either at Clapham Yard or Stewarts Lane. There were some special boat trains which used them so they would get a number of outings each year.

The green pullmans were used, among others, as buffet cars on the Charing X - Hastings trains before the demu's took over

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Ah, so someone else saw the Green Pullmans, so were they eventually withdrawn from service, or painted in Pullman Car Livery? Smile
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Post by 35005CP on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:08 am

Bryan Benn wrote:I've put Don's photo here, so we can understand what we are talking about, (as if ever for me!).



Photo by Don Benn. 35009 passing Worting Junction.

Bryan, Don,

Where was this shot taken? Looks familar? And please don't say Worting Jct.... Wink

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Post by donbenn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:07 pm

Actually Battledown, just short of MP 51 on a cold and dreary Saturday June 30th 1962. Taken with my Franka 35mm on TriX. Some of these shots are producing half decent images with a lot of tlc from Photoshot. I had this camera from September 1961 until I bought an Agifold 6x6 in April 1963 and this camera then took me through to the end of steam.

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Post by Bryan Benn on Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:01 pm

You can see the Worting Junction footbridge behind the last Pullman!

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Post by johnc on Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:24 am

A further small piece of info what I have discovered is that the green Hastings line pullmans were sold by the Pullman Car Co to BR about 1960 & then used in the Southampton Docks boat trains. I think they had a short life as such & were withdrawn after a few years

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Post by donbenn on Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:05 am

JC

Only you could have discovered such detailed info.

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Post by johnc on Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:09 am

I'll take that a compliment (I think) otherwise I'll have words when I see you

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Post by 34017 Ilfracombe on Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:15 am

johnc wrote:A further small piece of info what I have discovered is that the green Hastings line pullmans were sold by the Pullman Car Co to BR about 1960 & then used in the Southampton Docks boat trains. I think they had a short life as such & were withdrawn after a few years

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Thanks John, that would explain why they were in Green Livery.

Have you any idea where they were scrapped, and how many were involved?
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Post by 35005CP on Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:49 am

Weren't the Golden Arrow Pullman Parlour first in a green and grey livery? Or is this about another Pullman?

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Post by johnc on Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:43 am

A bit more info that I have found out is that there were a total of 6 cars built in 1926 by the Metropolitan Carriage & Wagon Co for use on the Hastings line (Cars nod. 180-185). After the war 182/3/5 were converted to Buffet cars & still used on the Hastings line. The others went into the general Pullman stock.

In 1958 all 6 were sold to BR carrying the nos. S7872S - S7877S & used on Southampton Docks boat trains.

2 of the cars are still in existance, i.e., 184 & 185. They can both be found on the Kent & East Sussex Railway.

All cars had names originally but these were lost (I think) in 1932 when they were converted from first class to composite cars.

The K&ESR cars have reverted to their original names of Theodora (184) & Barbara (185).

I have found out that the preserved cars were withdrawn by BR in 1963 & believe that the others went at the same time.

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Post by 35005CP on Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:08 am

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone have the consist/Formation for the Southern Region Golden Arrow Pullman Set? As I understand it 3 Parlour Cars were converted to Brakes, but didn't look like it in the formation set?
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