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Post by 35012 on Mon May 03, 2010 9:20 am

Does anyone remember the size of the turntable at Nine Elms?

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Post by 35005CP on Mon May 03, 2010 10:29 pm

I would imagine that the Turntable was 50ft. Although maybe some else can clarify this?

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 12:41 am

35005CP wrote:I would imagine that the Turntable was 50ft. Although maybe some else can clarify this?

I am fairly sure that the turntable wasn't a 50 footer due to some of the loco's you see pictured on it.

An example is 34007.

http://www.wadebridge34007.co.uk/PicsFiles/013.html

Working on the basis that a Bulleid Light Pacific is some 67 ft 4 3/4 inches (20.54 m) long it would imply that the turntable was a minimum of 65 feet to handle a light Pacific accross it's outer wheel centres. Now why didn't I think of this before posting the question!!

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am

If you look on the Nine Elms enginemen's website here; http://www.svsfilm.com/nineelms/summary.htm and scroll down to the bottom of the page, this might give you an idea?

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 12:45 am

I will have a look in some of my books to see if I can give you the answer you need.

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 1:01 am

35005CP wrote:If you look on the Nine Elms enginemen's website here; http://www.svsfilm.com/nineelms/summary.htm and scroll down to the bottom of the page, this might give you an idea?

The 1885 turntable was a 50 footer but a larger one was installed later on.

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 1:05 am

Okay I have just read up in one of my books that a Schools Class at a tight squeeze can fit on a 50ft turntable. But as a general rule of thumb most 4-6-0's would have needed at least 55ft! 60ft Turntable plus would have turned the larger engines.
This is the lengths of the following:

WC/BoB's: 67 ft 4.75 in (20.54 m)
MN's: 69 ft 8 in (21.23 m)

And going back to the link that you sent of 34007 and seeing how tight the loco looks on the Turntable and the fact that M'N's were turned at Nine Elms, I would imagine that the Turntable would be at least 70ft in Length.

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 1:34 am

35005CP wrote:Okay I have just read up in one of my books that a Schools Class at a tight squeeze can fit on a 50ft turntable. But as a general rule of thumb most 4-6-0's would have needed at least 55ft! 60ft Turntable plus would have turned the larger engines.
This is the lengths of the following:

WC/BoB's: 67 ft 4.75 in (20.54 m)
MN's: 69 ft 8 in (21.23 m)

And going back to the link that you sent of 34007 and seeing how tight the loco looks on the Turntable and the fact that M'N's were turned at Nine Elms, I would imagine that the Turntable would be at least 70ft in Length.

I think you are correct.

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 1:52 am

Of course we would prefer the exact length of the turntable...

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 2:29 am

35005CP wrote:Of course we would prefer the exact length of the turntable...

Would be nice, so will keep digging. It would also be nice to know who made the turntable as well.

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 2:59 am

Well; going by this there are 3 makers?

Cowans Sheldon

John Boys & Company

Ransomes & Rapier


Here is a pic on my fotopic site:
http://andysteamgallery.fotopic.net/p49174888.html
This is at Didcot.

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 3:00 am

Here is a site with current Turntables. http://www.heritagerailways.com/coachdb.html

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 4:07 am

35005CP wrote:Well; going by this there are 3 makers?

Cowans Sheldon

John Boys & Company

Ransomes & Rapier


Here is a pic on my fotopic site:
http://andysteamgallery.fotopic.net/p49174888.html
This is at Didcot.

Isn't that's the old Southampton Harbour turntable?

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 4:47 am

Ex Southampton Docks!

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Post by 35012 on Tue May 04, 2010 5:30 am

35005CP wrote:Ex Southampton Docks!

OK, same difference!!

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Post by 35005CP on Tue May 04, 2010 5:34 am

I got what you meant 35012! You can see the details here;



Didcot - 70ft built 1935


Didcot - 70ft built 1935



Present Location Didcot
Length in feet 70
Built by Ransomes & Rapier
Year Built 1935
Type Outer Race
Power Hand
Gauge 4ft 8 1/2in
Operating Yes
Owner Great Western Society
Notes Original 65ft turntable was installed in 1932 by the Great Western Railway , but was removed by British Rail in mid-1960’s following the end of steam traction. The present turntable was installed by the Great Western Society in the 1980’s, with the GWR’s original turntable-pit being suitably enlarged. Ex Southampton Docks c.1976.
Date of Inspection 28/02/2009
Inspected by Nigel Hunt
Photo date 25/03/2007
Photo by Ashley Dace
Date Record Last Updated 18/04/2010


Photo Nigel Hunt 28/02/2009

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Post by trent on Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:15 pm

From my modelling research I can say that it looks like a 70ft Ransomes & Rapier table was installed just prior to 1947.

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